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Let’s make it simple here. There are two camps. And I’m going to use a quote from each camp to illustrate the differences.
Thomas Aquinas said…….
“Without any hesitation we must abhor the handbags louis vuitton uk error that asserts that Christ’s Mother, after his virgin birth, was carnally known by Joseph, and handbags louis vuitton uk bore other children. This error is an insult to the handbags louis vuitton uk Holy Ghost, whose shrine was the virginal womb, wherein he had handbags louis vuitton uk formed the flesh of Christ: wherefore it was unbecoming that it handbags louis vuitton uk should be desecrated by intercourse with man.”
John Knox said…………….
“For all his goodness and greatness, the wonder of his manhood, the handbags louis vuitton uk qualities of mind and spirit which lift him so far above us, he was still a handbags louis vuitton uk human being like ourselves. Not only should we not want it handbags louis vuitton uk otherwise; we ought not to be able to bear otherwise. Jesus was a handbags louis vuitton uk man like ourselves; Jesus’ nature was out common human nature. To say this handbags louis vuitton uk is not to make a grudging concession to secular reason; it handbags louis vuitton uk is to make a vital reaffirmation of the Christian faith.”
What do YOU SAY? 
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The more I think and handbags louis vuitton uk meditate on the subject the more I lean strongly towards Knox’s view. How can handbags louis vuitton uk I even begin to think I could follow Jesus if he was not a handbags louis vuitton uk human being and instead was someone who was born and bred from handbags louis vuitton uk some sort of hybrid womb? I’m not in any way meaning to handbags louis vuitton uk be disrespectful but it is already hard enough to die to handbags louis vuitton uk the flesh and aspire to be like Jesus. If I say that handbags louis vuitton uk He is born of a human I stand a chance and handbags louis vuitton uk can do the things and even greater that He said I,we, could do. Jesus being a handbags louis vuitton uk human brings me comfort and peace, I believe He knows and handbags louis vuitton uk has felt my pain, my fear, etc. Yes, the more I think of it handbags louis vuitton uk the more I think Aguinas is way off in His thinking.
You’re right on. As someone has said, Satan’s greatest weapon has handbags louis vuitton uk been the church- which has taught a doctrine the people literally could not follow (a virgin birth)
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Well thought out!
1-I do not believe in original sin, but original blessing (Matthew Fox), but just being humans means we do junk real early on! And coming into a handbags louis vuitton uk junky environment that billions before us have created isn’t a good thing as well.
2-Catholics like to do the “Limbo” on infant death, which thinking is now somewhat “in limbo”.
3-The “virgin metaphor” of your description, certainly isn’t what the metaphor that is being used as for those that don’t take it literally (though that should be a plus for your thinking).
4-Let’s add this to the mix. Jesus came not as the religious SUBSTITUTE, but as the spiritual REPRESENTATIVE.
Good job, by the way! I’d have a drink to your thinking any day.